Navrins ([info]navrins) wrote,
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Interesting philosophical issues re: Iraq lead-up

Iraq: where the truth lies. Philosophical discussion related to the question of whether Bush and Blair can be said to have been lying to, or deceiving, or trying to deceive, the public.

I found it interesting.
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[info]hauntmeister

July 18 2003, 09:05:45 UTC 8 years ago

Ah, yes. If you don't know what you're saying is false, is it a lie? Plausible deniability was a favorite of Nixon, and it works well for Bush, too. Or if there's a way to parse the words such that the statement is not technically false, even though it generates a misleading impression, is it a "lie"?

"Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained"

Now, we can't complain that Bush is claiming that Saddam Hussein is responsible for September 11th, can we? Because, technically, that's not what he said.

[info]hauntmeister

July 18 2003, 09:08:48 UTC 8 years ago

And this is an interesting article on the topic of Bush family lies.

[info]navrins

July 18 2003, 09:14:03 UTC 8 years ago

Re:

And if you're saying "I am certain of A," when you genuinely believe A but don't have adequate justification for certainty, is that a lie? Does it matter whether A is, in fact, true?

[info]alaria_lyon

July 18 2003, 09:59:31 UTC 8 years ago

It depends how you say how you are certain. If you say, "if we are right, as I believe with every fibre of instinct and conviction I have that we are," this says to me that '*I* am certain of A', but it does not say to me 'A is not certain', and to me this is not a lie. A lie would be saying, 'A is certain' without proof (and in fact with proof that A is not certain).

[info]struct

July 19 2003, 01:53:49 UTC 8 years ago

Two words: "willful blindness"
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